tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post4416779813564194967..comments2023-05-27T11:14:02.426-04:00Comments on Some Space to Think: The Third Metric: ClarityAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14216103531396452644noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-61364203184502191942011-06-07T15:01:16.281-04:002011-06-07T15:01:16.281-04:00Along somewhat similar lines to what Madeline prop...Along somewhat similar lines to what Madeline proposes...<br /><br />I think GM clarity assumes a style of play that is unnecessary (but valid) for most games. In most games I run or play, the players fill in the gaps with interesting stuff. If the GM has something very specific in mind, there's tighter, clearer description. If the GM wants to leave things open, no problem, the players seize upon that and use it to their narrative advantage.<br /><br />GM: "You're at the warehouse. It's early evening, but the industrial district is poorly lit. The sky isn't dark yet, but it's difficult to see into alleyways (obviously hinting at an aspect here)." - that contains some specific info, but none about the warehouse. That waits for an investigation check or something a player has in mind.<br />PC: "This is one of the gang's hubs, right? And local speakeasies and opium dens get rolling when the sun goes down, so I assume I don't have to wait long before I see some thugs and middle management going in or coming out." Then the GM can agree or call for a roll. Maybe the PC wants to spot someone in particular. The GM is then free to say, "You don't see that guy, but give me a roll to see what else you notice," or set a higher difficulty or whatever.<br /><br />In a situation like that, the GM was clear, but primarily because the description lacked detail. I assume clarity due to a lack of information is not what you're talking about. So, unless you're playing a game (or just a particular scene) with no negotiation from the players over details, clarity is completely relative, and depending on tastes or system, could hamper a game.<br /><br />I think what you can rate, however, is the GM's ability to identify and react to what the players want. If the GM doesn't make it clear that the ogre was in front of the window, then it's not important. When the player says, "I deke the ogre, roll to my left and dive out the window," it's pretty clear that the player does not interpret the scene that way. At this point, the GM realizes that and must decide which is more interesting: what he didn't clearly communicate to the player -or- what the player is narrating? Even if the GM decides that he doesn't want the situation to be that easily escaped, there's usually some kind of compromise, hopefully one that's supported by the system. However, you could just as easily say the GM got himself in this position by being too detailed about the presence of a window; therefore, err on the side of less information. If clarity is your goal, it cuts both ways.Paulhttp://podgecast.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-35219563998116513472011-06-07T13:37:43.879-04:002011-06-07T13:37:43.879-04:00Not really sold on this one, Rob... Even in real ...Not really sold on this one, Rob... Even in real life where two friends who know each other are talking about something they both know, there are "wait, we're talking about the food? I thought we were still on the parking" times. <br /><br />There is definitely meat in how these natural and inevitable miscommunications are handled... I wonder if you will have a "social eptness" measure. Is someone blown off or overmastered, or do they get heard? Is there an irritating and distracting argument?<br /><br />I'd suggest that a way to get at something similar to your metric here is:<br /> <br />Empowerment:<br />0 - the PCs don't make plans, or the plans they make have no basis you can see in game reality<br />1 - the plans the PCs make need some talking over to fit into the world<br />2 - the PCs delight you with their crazy shit<br /><br />Though that does presuppose not only that the players know what's happening, but also that there is enough breathing room in the game that they can come up with plot that you didn't provide, and that everyone in the game likes that. This way of enjoying gaming isn't necessarily the only way.<br /><br />I've been meaning to comment for awhile on this stuff. Quite pleased by the first bit since it exactly aligned with my own system of grading my games: C = everyone got to do something, A/B = everyone got to do something awesome. My other metric is "Did I describe smells and the weather" which for me means both "did I have enough of a grasp on plot and pacing to be able to throw in elaborations" and "did I present the world in an immersive way".<br /><br />The Rules Mastery metric you suggest is also pretty orthogonal to what I do, since I run a lot of Amber/systemless. I'd lean towards putting it as Prep (Did I know everything that was going to go into the game, plot and NPCs and rules, well enough that it wasn't obvious when I faked it), and/or additionally Focus (Did the group devolve into a bunch of people quibbling about when the Spanish conquered the Incas and how many d6 a Conquistador has).<br /><br />-MadelineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-88353711058002090142011-06-07T13:31:13.115-04:002011-06-07T13:31:13.115-04:00Dammit Pol, You manage to sound much smarter sayin...Dammit Pol, You manage to sound much smarter saying it!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216103531396452644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-75158757167525449412011-06-07T13:30:22.006-04:002011-06-07T13:30:22.006-04:00@Marshall - That's an excellent way to put it,...@Marshall - That's an excellent way to put it, and I think that's going in the final version.<br /><br />@TW Yeah, that's my concern to. Some disconnect will always happen, but my hope is that while this is subject to difficulties, it's _consistently_ subject to difficulties, so the visual Gm and the Aural player will have a similar score each time, so when it changes, it's worth looking at what was different.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216103531396452644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-20988692118870021392011-06-07T13:29:39.928-04:002011-06-07T13:29:39.928-04:00If a player screws around during a description, th...<i>If a player screws around during a description, that's on the player, not the GM.</i><br /><br />I think it's important to remember that these are not intended to be metrics of "How good/bad am I as a GM". If they were, then we'd have to figure out when a failure was the player's fault, and when it was the GM's fault. I don't think that would be a fruitful conversation.<br /><br />A better way to think about these metrics are as a way to measure the overall health of the game. Every group is going to have a different baseline. For some groups, zeros and ones will be the norm. For others, it'll be twos across the board. It's not that the zeros & ones group is a "bad" group, and the twos group is a "good" group; they just have different baselines.<br /><br />We can't answer the "How good/bad am I as a GM" question directly. What we can do is measure overall Game Health over time, and look for things we can do as a GM to help increase the health of the game.<br /><br />If it's a player behavior that seems to be dragging the score down, that doesn't absolve the GM of responsibility. As a GM, you have dozens of tricks and tools you can try in order to engage and communicate with players. If one thing doesn't work, try something else. Sometimes, you're not going to be able to engage/communicate well with a player, because "that's just the way they are". It happens. Even so, giving up on a player should be a last resort.Pôl Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12829715841878775387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-70798791726279302202011-06-07T12:25:53.915-04:002011-06-07T12:25:53.915-04:00I think there's a danger here of false scoring...I think there's a danger here of false scoring. If a player screws around during a description, that's on the player, not the GM.<br /><br />Alternately, if a GM and a player talk differently, say a Visual GM ("Look at the map to see where you are.") tries clarifying something to an Aural player ("I see where I am on the map, but can you tell me what I see?"), something will get lost in the translation since they interact with the world differently and are comfortable with very different language. Sure, VARK focuses on learning styles, but the categories deal with communication style, and there are other similar communication categories in a very similar vein. More on VARK here: http://www.vark-learn.com/english/page.asp?p=categories<br /><br />Ultimately, responsibility for communicating about the game and the game world lies with the GM, so I'll buy Clarity as a metric generally. But there will be special cases and exceptions where the rating system breaks down.Jim Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10238994819794067525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-74822174504518849012011-06-07T10:28:56.777-04:002011-06-07T10:28:56.777-04:00I think a key metric for distinguishing between 1 ...I think a key metric for distinguishing between 1 and 2 is "how often did the GM need to repeat or rephrase information?" Which, I think, is pretty close to what you were going for, but is a little more measurable than your explanation/clarification split.Marshall Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647111558095583028noreply@blogger.com