tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post4734315096365972641..comments2023-05-27T11:14:02.426-04:00Comments on Some Space to Think: Bow to Your PartnerAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14216103531396452644noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-84380155028073325722010-01-02T15:59:09.937-05:002010-01-02T15:59:09.937-05:00I get what you're saying there, but this syste...I get what you're saying there, but this system is conceived out of cynicism.<br /><br />Yes, the example I gave tells Benedict how to play his character. That's because that's how Benedict should play his character, not because of some vaunted IC consistency principle, but because that's how Benedict should avoid being a dick.<br /><br />If anything, I'm merely applying the lever of this cynicism -- which is founded in the notion that without asking the question of what each person wants respected, people on a MUSH are not inclined to be un-dicklike -- against a different object than you're going after. :)Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08362641974657304051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-13475783996088561182010-01-02T15:44:16.855-05:002010-01-02T15:44:16.855-05:00True. Though there's a shade of you telling Be...True. Though there's a shade of you telling Benedict how to play his character in that. This carries its own hurdles - IC justification (and unilateral justification, at that) is a pretty big deal to some folks.<br /><br />I think where I'm drilling to, Fred, is that you're a lot more idealistic than I am about the degree to which strangers on a MUSH are willing to act in good faith with one another. My reflex is to want to see something more... codified, to guard against it going pear-shaped.Leonard Balseranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-27402620654343292942010-01-02T12:38:24.427-05:002010-01-02T12:38:24.427-05:00See, I think Benedict can respect your skill with ...See, I think Benedict can respect your skill with the sword even if he utterly outclasses you. There's a reason he's respecting your swordwork: maybe he's seeing potential there, setting up a long-term path. As you retrieve the sword he sent flying after a few minutes of easy sparring, he says, "Someday you'll be very dangerous with that thing" or whatever. The point being that he doesn't make you look like a fool, and that he treats you seriously. That's respect -- and it's the same respect you'd get from the head of a dojo, too, even as a noob.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08362641974657304051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-40061633823399780452010-01-01T21:19:38.008-05:002010-01-01T21:19:38.008-05:00Right - it's all about drawing the line on wha...Right - it's all about drawing the line on what constitutes "respect" in a particular instance. Fighting might be a bad example, because wide disparities in skill usually make themselves known pretty quickly. If Bob is allowed to put up a good fight against Benedict, does that mean Bob is good, or does it mean Benedict is fighting at a handicap? And if the latter, is that really respect?<br /><br />But it might just be me not being able to take the idea of "Bob, Prince of Amber" seriously. :) All I'm really trying to get at is that narrative expectations can muddy the waters a lot here.<br /><br />As for Twitter - the Devil is in the cloud, my friend.Leonard Balseranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-7410528720738697762010-01-01T17:11:41.892-05:002010-01-01T17:11:41.892-05:00That's interesting, since it highlights what I...That's interesting, since it highlights what I _hope_ this woudl solve. Benedict's going to _win_ so the question is whether he makes Bob look like his bitch. Bob's demand for respect is (hopefully) talling Benedict "Go ahead and win, but don't treat me like a chump." I think that's not too crazy to request, unles Benedict is kind of a tool<br /><br />Also, you should be on Twitter, man!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14216103531396452644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1678761812929125529.post-23611981814901685162010-01-01T16:52:19.651-05:002010-01-01T16:52:19.651-05:00Yeah, it strikes me that one potential hurdle is w...Yeah, it strikes me that one potential hurdle is when one person vastly outclasses another in an arena of conflict, but the player demands respect anyway.<br /><br />So if Bob asks Benedict to respect that he's good with the sword, the request itself might be out of scope, because damn, it's Benedict, you know? There'd need to be a way to flag those types of things and restate the terms where necessary. So you might tell Bob, "Look, there's no way Benedict can respect your swordfighting - he's just too damn good." And then you talk and end up with, "Benedict has to respect that Bob had the chutzpah to stick to his guns and fight."<br /><br />Anyway, just rambling.Leonard Balseranoreply@blogger.com